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More on Laray Carr

September 6, 2007 by Deb
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For those of you who have been coming here to find more information regarding Laray Carr, please visit Victoria Strauss’ blog at Writer’s Beware. You should be especially interested in the comments here. Still not sure if it’s a scam, but it’s certainly not something I’d like my name attached to.
Just a head’s up for those of you looking for more info.

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27 Comments on “More on Laray Carr”

  1. Erik Hare on Thu, 6th Sep 2007 4:52 pm

    The amount of effort put into this makes it sound like a legitimate biz would actually be *easier* That’s the galling part of this all.
    I can see why people think of running a scam if they think they can get rich quick, but I can’t see anyone getting rich off of this junk. It’s a mystery.

  2. Erik Hare on Thu, 6th Sep 2007 5:07 pm

    Just after I posted that last one, I was able to answer my own question by running into this guy:
    The internet is full of 3-Card Monte guys hustling the streets just like any other big city. Some sell useful things like food, some are just running scams. Some are inbetween.
    The bottom line is that they are working very hard for the privilege of being on the street, which I don’t totally understand. But it happens everywhere. It takes a certain amount of smarts to know which one you can buy a hot dog from and which one you don’t even make eye contact with.
    Some of you would rather just avoid them all. That makes sense to me, too. It’s all about what you think you can handle.
    All I ask is that if you’re out there hustling, could you please at least get a decent score once in a while or admit to yourself that you’re a lousy hustler?

  3. Allison on Thu, 6th Sep 2007 7:02 pm

    I’d just like to point out to everyone that while this may very well be a scam (the jury’s still out on that one), please be careful about making accusations. Earlier today, I was accused of being a scammer when all I was trying to do was tell you guys about a neat blogger opportunity. It’s no fun. So yes, warn other about scammers, but make sure you get your facts straight before you do!

  4. Mariella on Thu, 6th Sep 2007 7:10 pm

    When there are no facts to be found, how should you think of it? You can’t get your facts straight unless there are facts available. Sadly, in this case, there’s almost none.
    But let’s not get into that. Let’s just hope that the writers get paid.

  5. Eun Jung on Fri, 7th Sep 2007 10:37 am

    I’ll let you know. I feel a little silly, as I did write a few quick things for them. They didn’t raise any red flags initially, but after seeing all the comments, I am concerned. Stay tuned…

  6. Mariella on Fri, 7th Sep 2007 10:45 am

    Good luck, Eun Jung, and let us know. :)

  7. Eun Jung on Fri, 7th Sep 2007 10:48 am

    Thanks, Mariella.
    Hey, Deb, that might be something we could talk about in the future. I thought I knew what to look for to protect myself from scams, but maybe not. Do you have any tips or discussion threads about that?
    Eun Jung

  8. MIcah on Fri, 7th Sep 2007 2:29 pm

    What interesting information on that blog Deb. It certainly is curious what’ going on. I have been working on google adsense today…what a time consuming thing. I’m certainly learning tons since I havn’t used source code in years.

  9. Bucking the System on Fri, 7th Sep 2007 2:43 pm

    I guess it’s a gut feeling sort of thing, but there are things you can do to protect yourself upfront from scammers.
    Always ask to see their contract, what rights they are purchasing and what rates they are paying. Companies on the level respect your business sense and will get right back to you with answers to your questions.
    Usually a scammer doesn’t even reply to this request because they certainly don’t want to deal with any writers who are too smart to be scammed. And, of course, their “no response” is all the answer you need to know to run the other way.
    Also, never and I mean NEVER write pieces up front about their requested subject matter. This is a typical scam to get free work. If it is just a “test” to see your writing skills, then ANY topic can do that. It doesn’t have to be a piece on a topic specific to their site.
    Actually, I never, ever send free work. I refer them to other work I have online and to my clips but that’s it.
    In all my years writing, I have never had a reputable company ask for samples. They have looked at what I already have and made their decision to hire me on those pieces.
    If the newer writers would just realize that if you are a good writer, you will get the work. It may not happen overnight, heck it definitely WON’T happen overnight, but it will happen. Be patient, stick to your guns, and don’t give you talent away for free or for pennines a word….aren’t you worth more than that?

  10. MIcah on Fri, 7th Sep 2007 3:00 pm

    Thank you so much for your positive viewpoint. I think you are right. Being new comes with all the adequacies that go along with the dream.

  11. Erik Hare on Fri, 7th Sep 2007 4:20 pm

    We had a thread a while back about confidence, and you’re right that this is the best weapon against scams. I hadn’t thought of that before, but you make an excellent point. Perhaps that’s what we need to do here more than anything else!

  12. Katharine Swan on Fri, 7th Sep 2007 6:40 pm

    I’ve been MIA for the last day and a half because my horse just arrived yesterday afternoon — he’s been staying with the inlaws since we rescued him a little over a year ago.
    Anyway, thanks to Deb for directing our attention to this thread of comments. I read the post and comments on Writer Beware shortly after it was posted, but hadn’t been back since. I find it very interesting that Hope posted and then deleted her comments. Even more interesting to me is the claim that the website is not live yet because they are not paying the designers. Will the same thing happen when it comes time to pay the writers? Who knows……..

  13. MIcah on Sun, 9th Sep 2007 5:02 pm

    I did want to say that I heard from Hope. She did recieve my invoice, and even though the launch is for October, the checks will be sent out before that. That’s what she said in the e-mail. I just want to make sure I put in I heard from her, because I posted I had not earlier.

  14. Katharine Swan on Sun, 9th Sep 2007 9:42 pm

    That’s encouraging, Micah. Keep us updated, as I for one would really like to know how the whole thing pans out.
    By the way, I posted on my own blog about the LCP situation, and I thought you guys might be interested. You can see it here.

  15. Kathy Neilsen on Mon, 10th Sep 2007 11:02 am

    Laray Carrs website is up if anyone is interested.

  16. Mariella on Mon, 10th Sep 2007 11:08 am

    Yeah, I saw that too earlier.
    @Micah> I hope that’s really true. I reall do wish on everyone’s behalf that everything turns out well.

  17. MIcah on Mon, 10th Sep 2007 11:10 am

    I like the website. Snazzy! Thanks Mariella.

  18. Anon for this on Mon, 10th Sep 2007 3:14 pm

    Quincy Carr is a known scammer:

  19. Cindy on Tue, 11th Sep 2007 2:58 am

    Take a good look at what are supposed to be the magazines on their site. Those are not magazines, but what are supposed to look like them. Look at the lettering, the wording, etc. Very poorly done, the lettering runs off the edges, the letters are run horribly rogether, etc. These are not real magazine covers, they are obviously something quickly thrown together, probably from Photoshop

    . Look at them closely, and you will see.

  20. Ann G. on Tue, 11th Sep 2007 7:41 am

    What I noticed is that one picture – the cover with Carrie Underwood – I thought she looked younger it in, so I did a search. That picture dates back to 2005 and is copyrighted by Arista Records.,TSHA:2005-45,TSHA:en%26sa%3DN
    Now maybe they got permission, but in my thinking if they’d really interviewed her, they would have had a photographer on hand to take a current picture.

  21. Cindy M on Tue, 11th Sep 2007 10:21 am

    Is it me or did they get Amy Winehouse’s name wrong on the cover of their “Centerstage” magazine? They have her name as Amy Winehurst. It is Amy “Winehouse” isn’t it? And the picture they used is listed in Google images as coming from a blog. Hmmmm…..

  22. MIcah on Tue, 11th Sep 2007 10:29 am

    Connie posted that she did the magazine covers for the website on the Aug. 24th blog. They are just mock ups not the actual magazines.

  23. William Campbell on Sun, 16th Sep 2007 11:06 am

    Hmm, this is an interesting controversy that I’ll certainly be following. I’m definitely learning from all your advice, guys!

  24. Mary on Mon, 1st Oct 2007 12:34 pm

    Hi Gang:
    Yes it’s offical I wrote several articles for Laray Carr and have yet to see a penny for my August work and probably will not. I sent an e-mail only to have come back and to be sent to someone else handling the account. The thing is they will probably sell my articles and they will be used somewhere.
    Live and Learn.

  25. Sheri on Wed, 3rd Oct 2007 6:09 pm

    I did about 10 very long articles for them and just today got a letter saying that ‘Hope” is no longer in charge of freelance writing. So I wrote to the guy who supposedly took over and basically I said “I was supposed to get paid Sept 20 and here is is Oct 2 and no money.” He wrote back and said the articles are now mine and I can publish them anywhere…I was not going to get paid because they didn’t apparently use any of them. The weird thing is the typos in his emails. I think it’s a huge sham so don’t get too involved time-wise with them. Personally, I would not send my personal info again. Grrr
    Good luck with Laray Carr.

  26. Anonymous on Mon, 12th Nov 2007 9:43 pm

    Laray Carr/LC Publications/LCP Media signed a contract with myself for TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS to develop all of there websites… when asked for deposits they said “our CEO has been ripped off in the past by freelancers so doesnt like to pay deposits, so we did a deal that we would send over initial concepts then we would recieve the deposit that we asked for…. we sent over the concepts which in there own words “LOVED” did we ever recieve the deposit?! NO! Did we ever have any more contact from them? NO! When we hired a private investigator and they couldnt find any information on the company (at the time) nor the owners (there names didnt bring up ANY information) alarm bells started ringing… we sent an email stating that we’d had a private investigator look into them and was puzzled that they just seemed to be non existant they replied “we decided to have our in house team to do the design work instead, your more than willing to come and meet us at our offices, meet our investors to prove we are real” when we replied to say we would love to fly over from EUROPE to meet them and would gladly pay for the flights ourselves and not bill them, we didnt recieve anymore responces….. are they a real company?! Do they have any money?! Do they have a rich investor?! in my opinon…. HELL NO!

  27. Jessalynn Coolbaugh on Wed, 14th Nov 2007 10:31 pm

    I think the whole LCP thing has been beaten as far as it can be. A lot of good people got burned (myself included); but hopefully we’ve moved on – lesson learned.
    The lesson here, my gentle colleagues, is that as freelancers, we owe it to ourselves to get *everything* in writing. And if we don’t like the original terms of a contract…negotiate. Contracts are made to be changed. If you make what you believe are vital changes to a contract, and the client doesn’t approve – move on. There are other, bigger, fish in that sea who will be more than happy to apply your talent, and pay you accordingly.
    Thanks to Deb for providing so many *honest* outlets where we can ply our talents; and Greetings and Salutations to all my fellow writers.
    To our success and continued education…